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cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's going to be, as they say here, they're going to get stuck with this bill and they're not going to have any other choice but to bring it up and probably pass it. >> can we assume, dana, that the senators, maybe even the vice president, will emerge from the meeting that is under way right now and come to the microphones that are near you? >> i would love to say yes, but we're getting some signals from democratic leadership sources that harry reid will probably not come and talk to us. however, i have seen this movie before. we're told that h
cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's...
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. >> because the fiscal cliff. i'm done with that until we get some news. >> i think that's a lot of name recognition, don't you? people also, rand paul, for example, very dynamic on television. people recognize him and his energy and his different ideas, so he stands out. but it also is a reflection of the fact that the republican party doesn't -- has an identity crisis. these are people who are moderates and iconic class and very far out on the edges. that doesn't speak to a party that really has a clear leader or a central ideology to speak to. >> and won't until it gets a nominee. the next time we'll know what the republican party is about, maybe, when they get a nominee, right? >> well, you can get the contours of a debate if people really don't have one. remember bill clinton campaigning in the late '80s and early 1990s building a consistent case for the democratic party that was in some ways in worst shape than republicans are now. >> that took two gigantic strokes of luck. one was that mario cuomo did not r
. >> because the fiscal cliff. i'm done with that until we get some news. >> i think that's a lot of name recognition, don't you? people also, rand paul, for example, very dynamic on television. people recognize him and his energy and his different ideas, so he stands out. but it also is a reflection of the fact that the republican party doesn't -- has an identity crisis. these are people who are moderates and iconic class and very far out on the edges. that doesn't speak to a party...
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cliff deal done. but now republicans are asking from where? we're going to talk to republican senator bob corker next on "morning joe." i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ >>> live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. it is 15 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we a
cliff deal done. but now republicans are asking from where? we're going to talk to republican senator bob corker next on "morning joe." i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to...
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tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that meeting? >> well, i think that the decision to move the forum for the negotiations to the senate was a necessary one. i have a lot of confidence in harry reid's negotiating ability. mitch mcconnell is a veteran negotiator, and i think there's a far better prospect of something being worked out in the senate than there was dealing with speaker boehner and his completely dysfunctional house republican party. >> sure. well, abiding by convention and of course protocol, the senate won't return until sunday. will there be enough time for the senate leaders to really craft a deal that is substantiative and makes a difference,
tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that...
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cliff. 48% of those polled say a deal is not likely. that optimism is waning, though when the poll was done earlier this month, 59% said a deal was likely. >>> former braves great andruw jones is free on a $2,500 bond this morning after being arrested outside of atlanta. he was arrested on a battery charge. the gwinnett county detention center said there was a domestic dispute between he and his life. >>> the number of extremely obese preschoolers has dropped slightly over the last decade, according to the centerses for disease control and prevention. researchers called the decline modest but say it's encouraging. the cdc adds that part of the decrease could be attributed to awareness campaigns that encourage physical activity and healthy eating. >>> before heading back to d.c. to try to avoid heading off the fiscal cliff, president obama and the first lady kept up a christmas tradition. they visited marines at a base in hawaii thanking them for their service. mrs. obama and their daughters, by the way, won't cut short their vacation. t
cliff. 48% of those polled say a deal is not likely. that optimism is waning, though when the poll was done earlier this month, 59% said a deal was likely. >>> former braves great andruw jones is free on a $2,500 bond this morning after being arrested outside of atlanta. he was arrested on a battery charge. the gwinnett county detention center said there was a domestic dispute between he and his life. >>> the number of extremely obese preschoolers has dropped slightly over the...
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most importantly, he was very, very pessimistic about getting anything done before we reach that fiscal cliff. listen to what he said. >> the speaker just has a few d days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president. i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> let me kind of lay out the state of play. i'll try to keep it out as much as possible. this is something everybody is focused on. the ball is in the senate's court right now. so what senator reid, who you saw earlier, and the president, what they are trying to figure out is whether or not they can craft what the president called a scaled-back bill, which is what he campaigned on. raising taxes for everybody making more than $250,000 a year and adding a few other tax-related items in there. maybe spending but it's unclear. the question is whether or not they can put all that together in a way to get enough republican votes in order to pass the senate and then would have to have enough votes to pass the house as well. whether they can do that in the next few days is an open question. >> just procedurall
most importantly, he was very, very pessimistic about getting anything done before we reach that fiscal cliff. listen to what he said. >> the speaker just has a few d days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president. i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> let me kind of lay out the state of play. i'll try to keep it out as much as possible. this is something everybody is focused on. the ball is in the senate's court right now. so what senator reid,...
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year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in january could theoretically restore extended benefits, the immediate damage will have already been done. for many people, this is all an interesting charade. but for the unemployed it's the real deal. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. tonight's question, who will the public blame if we go over the fiscal cliff? text a for democrats, text b for republicans to 622329. i'll bring you the results later in the show. >>> joining me now is congressman elijah cummings of maryland. welcome to the show. >> it's good to be with you. >> what do you make of the latest posturing. the house w
year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in...
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if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out. sometimes the congress likes to make a show of working very hard at the last minute, like a college student, who procrastinated, and then finally got the paper done. this is an embarrassing show of how we legislate in this country, but they are showing that it can be responsible, get this deal done, and go home. >> in what way can you describe the tone that this has taken, primarily this evening, as of yesterday it was this big blame game going on with fingering pointing. and really over the past couple of weeks it has been a roller costar. one day, all of this bipartisan spirit, the other day there is not. how do you think this whole thing is ending up as we stand here tonight. >> it is always a good policy in washington to assume that cooperation leads to compromise. oftentimes it is not, oftentimes what leads to compromi
if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out. sometimes the congress likes to make a show of working very hard at the last minute, like a college student, who procrastinated, and then finally got the paper done. this is an embarrassing show of how we legislate in this country,...
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behind the scenes in the fiscal cliff negotiations and now what it takes to get a deal done. c! get in the game! [ male announcer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older. you might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. millions of men, forty-five or older, may have low t. so talk to your doctor about low t. hey, michael! [ male announcer ] and step out of the shadows. hi! how are you? [ male announcer ] learn more at isitlowt.com. [ laughs ] hey! >>> developing now, we just got an emphatic denial from the white house about that rumored proposal being sent to the hill by president obama to senate republicans to avert the fiscal cliff. and nbc's white house correspondent peter alexander joins me now. republicans saying, oh, the president is having a deal. the president is saying no. harry reid is saying no. what do we know? >> i guess we know very little. we know this isn't going to be litigated in the mead ra. but the white house wants to make it
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so i think the two of them feel like they could get something done, but, i mean, time is ticking here. >> thank you very much and happy new year. >> hey, same to you, melissa. >> for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations i am joined now by democratic strategist richard goodstein and republican strategist terry holt. thank you both for being here. >> sure. >> hi, melissa. >> terry, let's start with you. what do you think is going on behind closed doors right now on capitol hill? >> i think i'm still talking about the "meet the press" interview by the president this morning. you know, the american people elected president obama to lead, but he spent most of the morning today playing the blame game, and i say let's get the blame game over with and start talking about solutions for the american people because, you know, every -- every dollar you take, you can take every dollar from every rich person in america and still not balance this nation's budget. until we start talking about real spending cuts and structural reform to the entitlement programs, we're going to go broke. we'll go the
so i think the two of them feel like they could get something done, but, i mean, time is ticking here. >> thank you very much and happy new year. >> hey, same to you, melissa. >> for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations i am joined now by democratic strategist richard goodstein and republican strategist terry holt. thank you both for being here. >> sure. >> hi, melissa. >> terry, let's start with you. what do you think is going on behind closed doors right...
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. >>> and six days and counting until we hit the fiscal cliff. the president is cutting short his hawaiian vacation to go back to work. we'll look at whether a deal is likely to get done. >>> and not what people in alabama wanted for christmas. tornadoes ripped through the south. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could and i was just praying for my safety. and i knew that -- i prayed that the church stayed put. rsal] ♪ everybody well don't you know it's me now? ♪ ♪ yeah who's it, who's it huh? ♪ ♪ willy's back with a brand new beat now, ♪ ♪ yeah doin' it doin' it up! ♪ heyyy yeah, tryin' to bite my style! ♪ ♪ heyyy yeah, how you like me now? ♪ ♪ na na na na na na na na ♪ and everybody go uh! >>> we told you last hour president obama is spending his last few hours in hawaii before returng early to washington. he's expected to arrive tomorrow, just five days ahead of the fiscal cliff, which includes an across the board tax hike that congress has tried but failed to undo. cnn's dana bash is with us from washington, our senior
. >>> and six days and counting until we hit the fiscal cliff. the president is cutting short his hawaiian vacation to go back to work. we'll look at whether a deal is likely to get done. >>> and not what people in alabama wanted for christmas. tornadoes ripped through the south. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could and i was just praying for my safety. and i knew that -- i prayed that the church stayed put. rsal] ♪ everybody well don't you know it's me now? ♪ ♪...
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numbers one and two this year are fiscal cliff and kick the can down the road. now, regardless of today's outcome is the damage already done for congress? whether they come up with a small deal or not here when it comes to the american people, they've already decided congress is useless. >> well, i think those of us who tried to function over the last couple years in congress have been saying that. we can't figure out who even the 10%, who support congress, are. we are totally dysfunctional right now and this is just probably the worst example of it. you know, i heard speaker boehner say a number of times that he doesn't believe in compromise and a lot of republicans say the same thing. they say let's find common ground and act on that. well, there just isn't much common ground. if, in fact, the numbers we're hearing about the senate deal, whether $450,000 threshold or $550,000, that is not a matter of principle. that's just a matter of policy and splitting hairs and differences of dollars. so i think unfortunately we've got a lot of people on the other side of
numbers one and two this year are fiscal cliff and kick the can down the road. now, regardless of today's outcome is the damage already done for congress? whether they come up with a small deal or not here when it comes to the american people, they've already decided congress is useless. >> well, i think those of us who tried to function over the last couple years in congress have been saying that. we can't figure out who even the 10%, who support congress, are. we are totally...
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, the economy is really at stake, people's taxes are at stake, and if we go over the fiscal cliff, individuals will see taxes go up by $2,000, there is a lot of pressure on congress and white house to take action. that pleasure is playing a huge role. >> kristen welker and kelly o'donnell, thank you, both. we continue our breaking coverage of fiscal cliff talks and what appears to he about a last-minute break through when we come back. please stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] why do more emergency workers everywhere trust duracell...?? duralock power preserve. locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. now...guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the market, he goes with people he trusts, which is why he trades with a company that doesn't nickel and dime him with hidden fees. so he can worry about other things, like what the market is doing and being ready, no matter what happens, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense, from td ameritrade. [ ship
, the economy is really at stake, people's taxes are at stake, and if we go over the fiscal cliff, individuals will see taxes go up by $2,000, there is a lot of pressure on congress and white house to take action. that pleasure is playing a huge role. >> kristen welker and kelly o'donnell, thank you, both. we continue our breaking coverage of fiscal cliff talks and what appears to he about a last-minute break through when we come back. please stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] why do...
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cliff to convince investors that a deal can get done. so at this point, the market doesn't really want a band-aid or so-called framework deal. in fact, one trader told me that it would almost be better if we went over the cliff, because that would give the markets some certainty. they would at least know what to expect. that is, of course, instead of a band-aid measure, because the worry there is that it would just kick the can down the road. now, this is usually the time of year when we see what's known as a santa claus rally, when investors push up stocks an average of 1.5% in the last few days of the year. and that kind of rally has come to wall street over the past four years. the santa claus rally still has some time to make it, though, with the market wrapping up 2012 on monday with a full day of trading. now, the major averages are, though, on track to make some solid gains for the year. you look at 2012 heading into monday for the dow industrials, they're up 6%. the nasdaq is up more than 13%. and the s&p 500, that's up 1 1% for
cliff to convince investors that a deal can get done. so at this point, the market doesn't really want a band-aid or so-called framework deal. in fact, one trader told me that it would almost be better if we went over the cliff, because that would give the markets some certainty. they would at least know what to expect. that is, of course, instead of a band-aid measure, because the worry there is that it would just kick the can down the road. now, this is usually the time of year when we see...
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today's only job is to come up with a deal that ainvestigators going over the fiscal cliff and anything other than that is absolute irresponsibility you congressional malpractice. >> any deal? in other words, say some sort of temporary fix or have to be that long-term overhaul? >> i don't think -- at this point, beggers can't be choosers. i don't think we are going to get a grand bargain. i don't think we are going to get a big deal with long-term stuff a lot of people object to that, they will call that kicking the can down the road, you know what martin, they are absolutely right. once again, we will kick the can down the road, but that's what happens, when you back yourself into a corner, we did this with the debt ceiling, we did this with the government shutdown, the way we do business now, we should get used to it, that's how things are done t is the 11th hour we need an 11th hour deal. 11th hour deals are never particularly good. everybody is going to give something up. i just hope they all prepare to give something up and get a deal. it is not going to be pretty. i will be here t
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tax code, and that is one thorny issue to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. let's go to jean sahati who is a senior writer for cnnmoney.com, and probably the person most immersed in the my knew that -- minutia of all of the stuff going on and so you have political headlines of stuff going on like tax rates and there are back channels and people have been discussing this for a long time, and what is your take? >> a long time. >> and first of all, real tax reform is a process to take two three years at best probably and that is not certainly going to happen tonight and not worked out, but what is the likelihood of a deal? what would it look like from a tax perspective? >> which one a tax reform deal or the fiscal cliff deal? >> no, the fiscal cliff deal, and what might they be arriving at in the next day or so? >> well, here is what we are hearing. i will believe none of it until i see it. >> right. >> the rates will go up for high income people, and we don't know how high income, president obama wants $250,000 as the threshold, but republicans are pushing for
tax code, and that is one thorny issue to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. let's go to jean sahati who is a senior writer for cnnmoney.com, and probably the person most immersed in the my knew that -- minutia of all of the stuff going on and so you have political headlines of stuff going on like tax rates and there are back channels and people have been discussing this for a long time, and what is your take? >> a long time. >> and first of all, real tax reform is a process to take...
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we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour notice. they are very much out there in play. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when the senate returns tomorrow morning, there will be a new emphasis on members taking a larger role in the fiscal cliff negotiations that based off the current offer may only have a smaller deal. a member of the budget committee and outspoken voice on the left side of the aisle. thanks for joining me. good morning. >> mire pleasure. >> we were saying a lack of urgency in washington to deal with the fiscal cliff and being a member of congress especially a respe
we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour...
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on the fiscal cliff they think this is going to find someone out. it gets done. the debt limit, if we go over it, we get downgraded again. it's unthinkable. it's not completely unthinkable that we could. markets tanks. interest race go way up. the economy is in the tank. it's a much scarier thing, and it would be better for the economy long run if they could get the debt limit as part of this deal. >> they're not going to do it. especially this congress. i want to put up a chart that is probably my favorite chart in all of chart-dom. this gets to the heart of how difficult it is to do this. republicans keep saying stop spending, right? when you get them to sort of be specific, they can't do it, and i think this is the reason why. >> basically it shows that two-thirds of the spending. >> 24% defense. health care spending, which is medicare, and health care for our veterans, and medicaid is 22%. education is only 4% of the budget, and it's the biggest thing. welfare doesn't even show up. it's in other. the question always for me is what is it that republicans want
on the fiscal cliff they think this is going to find someone out. it gets done. the debt limit, if we go over it, we get downgraded again. it's unthinkable. it's not completely unthinkable that we could. markets tanks. interest race go way up. the economy is in the tank. it's a much scarier thing, and it would be better for the economy long run if they could get the debt limit as part of this deal. >> they're not going to do it. especially this congress. i want to put up a chart that is...
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s a for the fiscal cliff talks, i'm told that there have been some fresh talks at the staff level but the hard work is not going to get done until lawmakers return to washington, that's expected to happen after the christmas holiday and at this point there's not a lot of time left and hopes for a grand bargain, president obama and house speaker boehner had been working on have all but evaporated right now. making sure that the steep tax hikes don't go in to effect. president obama on friday saying he would accept a deal as long as it does not allow taxes to go up on middle class americans, as long as it extends unemployment insurance and lays the groundwork for deficit reduction in the future. so there's sort of scaling back their expectations. house speaker boehner tried to get an alternative bill passed through the house last week. that failed. the focus shifts to the senate. reid and mcconnell will really be charged with trying to hammer out the fine details of that deal that can make it through the senate and through the house so that is the challenge moving forward. of course, pr
s a for the fiscal cliff talks, i'm told that there have been some fresh talks at the staff level but the hard work is not going to get done until lawmakers return to washington, that's expected to happen after the christmas holiday and at this point there's not a lot of time left and hopes for a grand bargain, president obama and house speaker boehner had been working on have all but evaporated right now. making sure that the steep tax hikes don't go in to effect. president obama on friday...
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what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time, between senator reid and senator mcconnell, than i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class f
what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john...
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. >>> no deal in sight before the so-called fiscal cliff. coming up, an update on what if anything can be done from the ranking democrat on the house budget committee, maryland congressman chris van hollen and new information of kelly o'donnell and check out the "news nation" tumblr page. lots of behind the scenes pictures. i love the holidays. and with my bankamericard cash rewards credit card, i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. >>> we are about a half hour away now with the meeting between president obama and top leaders of both parties. joining the president and vice president, boehner, pelosi, reid and mcconnell. their goal, agree on something before the country falls off
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cliff, at least avoid it after we go over for a couple of hours. >> what is that saying that you know you've done something right if everybody is mad at you. >> exactly. >> we just saw pictures of the vice president just a few moments ago walking into capitol hill. what do you think he is talking about behind closed doors? what do you think his general message is? >> i think what vice president biden is doing is trying to sell this deal to democrats. president obama was also trying to do that earlier today when he came out and spoke to a group of middle class families and started emphasizing all of the things that he got in the bill -- extension of some of the tax credits for education, for clean energy that he got in the stimulus package, his administration, when he said that we are going to seek more revenue, when the big discussion of spending cuts ripens in the next couple of months before the debt ceiling that was an important signal to democrats that you may not like what i got in this deal. you may think we're not getting enough tax revenue from affluent americans, but i'm goin
cliff, at least avoid it after we go over for a couple of hours. >> what is that saying that you know you've done something right if everybody is mad at you. >> exactly. >> we just saw pictures of the vice president just a few moments ago walking into capitol hill. what do you think he is talking about behind closed doors? what do you think his general message is? >> i think what vice president biden is doing is trying to sell this deal to democrats. president obama was...
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they don't want to see the fiscal cliff happen. they want to see the tax cuts for middle class people maintained and they want to see all the other things i suggested. these are relatively simple things. we don't have to get into the complexities of major spending cuts, entitlements. we can just do these things the president suggestened and put oursds in a position to tackle these more broad fiscal issues next year. >> valerie, i promise i'm going to get you in. are you a democrat? not valerie, john. >> well, we're a nonpartisan organization. >> because you're saying these things the president wants to get in. is this ideological for you because i'm reading between the lines of what you're saying. you're saying it appears this is being held up and it appears you're saying the republicans are holding it up. >> well, the president has put forth some pragmatic temporary solutions to get us to the point where we continue go over the fiscal cliff, and he said he's willing to sit down and talk with republicans about a broader deal next y
they don't want to see the fiscal cliff happen. they want to see the tax cuts for middle class people maintained and they want to see all the other things i suggested. these are relatively simple things. we don't have to get into the complexities of major spending cuts, entitlements. we can just do these things the president suggestened and put oursds in a position to tackle these more broad fiscal issues next year. >> valerie, i promise i'm going to get you in. are you a democrat? not...
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cliff. look, the last minute, as tom cole said, the deals come together at the last minute. the last minute was really before christmas. as a practical matter, that is how these deals come together each of the last three years of the obama administration, on the budget, on deficit, on tax cuts years ago. they came together before christmas. it's hard to see how this works out at this point, to tell you the truth. there is a conference call at 2:30 among house republicans trying to decide what to do. we expect the leadership to let the rank and file know what their plans are. the speaker is not in washington. we understand he is in ohio of his home state. the president has landed here back at the white house in washington. it's unclear exactly where they go from here. essentially what john boehner is saying, you go first, harry reid. harry reid is trying to jam mitch mcconnell into allowing this vote to go forward without the 60-vote threshold, something that's necessary for virtually every v
cliff. look, the last minute, as tom cole said, the deals come together at the last minute. the last minute was really before christmas. as a practical matter, that is how these deals come together each of the last three years of the obama administration, on the budget, on deficit, on tax cuts years ago. they came together before christmas. it's hard to see how this works out at this point, to tell you the truth. there is a conference call at 2:30 among house republicans trying to decide what...
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we started talking about the issue of fiscal cliff and how we're going to fill our coffers. one of the fastest way to make sure you earn revenue is by passing comprehensive immigration. everyday workers are actually competitive. come on. >> more taxpayers. that's expanding the tax base, come on. >> it's a good thing. >> but i think we can't underscore enough the importance for the republican party, i mean, they have done miserably with latino voters. so they clearly have to be on board for this to work. i want to play something that the president said during the campaign about the republicans and immigration. let's take a listen. >> if they have seen that people who care about this issue have turned out in strong numbers, that they will rethink it if not because it's the right thing to do, at least because it's in their political interest to do so. >> people turned nout strong numbers. there is a political interest when you talk about taxes. is that going to mean the republicans are going to do the right thing or are going to do what's in their best political interest to do?
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we have the latest on how the fiscal deal could get done and why house republicans could think their best bet is to take their ball and get home. we will walk the cliff. tom ronafaruhar and ben white. plus, one man could hold the key to a successful second term for president barack obama. senator jeff murphy will join us to explain why before the senate does anything, it has to reform the fill la buster. and we will look at this debate that has been prompted by the movie "zero dark 30" with professor, author, and emmy award winner. all that starts in just three minutes.
we have the latest on how the fiscal deal could get done and why house republicans could think their best bet is to take their ball and get home. we will walk the cliff. tom ronafaruhar and ben white. plus, one man could hold the key to a successful second term for president barack obama. senator jeff murphy will join us to explain why before the senate does anything, it has to reform the fill la buster. and we will look at this debate that has been prompted by the movie "zero dark...
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from hawaii to try to keep america from going over the fiscal cliff. as the house and senate reconvene tomorrow. the clock is ticking. six days until the deadline. the way things work in washington, can they actually get something done before the end of the year? brianna keilar, what is the latest on this? >> hi, there, drew. president obama will be heading home from hawaii tonight, logical time arri arriving in d.c. thursday morning when the senate will be reconvenin reconvening, and the senate, all eyes on now, that we look for the last-ditch effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. even though the president is returning on thursday, we may not see the senate roll out its bill to deal with the fiscal cliff. perhaps for a couple of days. this is entirely possible we've learned from sources as senate majority leader harry reid works to get republican support in the senate, which he will need if he's going to pass a bill. and so we're still waiting to see exactly what it will look like that the white house wants for the threshold on income tax rates to cut off
from hawaii to try to keep america from going over the fiscal cliff. as the house and senate reconvene tomorrow. the clock is ticking. six days until the deadline. the way things work in washington, can they actually get something done before the end of the year? brianna keilar, what is the latest on this? >> hi, there, drew. president obama will be heading home from hawaii tonight, logical time arri arriving in d.c. thursday morning when the senate will be reconvenin reconvening, and the...
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lawmakers have been so consumed by the fiscal cliff that it appears little was done to extend the 2010 payroll tax cuts, put in place by president obama two years ago in order to boost the economy. so what does it mean to your wallet? here is how much less you'll bring home if it expires. paychecks shrink $50 a month for those earning $30,000 a year. it shrinks $83 a month for those earning $50,000 a year. and $167 a month for those earning $100,000 a year. now, let's switch to the fiscal cliff. and what that is going to cost you. without a deal, you'll be paying lots more in tachxes. say you're single and working hard, you don't have kids, you earn $80,000 a year. if it does not go into effect, you'll pay an additional $3,000 more than what you already pay in taxes. the middle class families will get hit harder, two kids, both parents work. together you earn $80,000 a year. guess what, if there is no deal, you would owe $6,000 more in taxes next year. with so many variables, the question is how is wall street reacting? the stock market dipped every day last week. question is, what is
lawmakers have been so consumed by the fiscal cliff that it appears little was done to extend the 2010 payroll tax cuts, put in place by president obama two years ago in order to boost the economy. so what does it mean to your wallet? here is how much less you'll bring home if it expires. paychecks shrink $50 a month for those earning $30,000 a year. it shrinks $83 a month for those earning $50,000 a year. and $167 a month for those earning $100,000 a year. now, let's switch to the fiscal...
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they will voluntarily where "come together" to urge politicians to get a deal done on the fiscal cliff before the end of the year. and i wasn't very surprised because howard schultz has been very outspoken. we sat down earlier this month to talk about the fiscal cliff and the risks to u.s. businesses, to the world economy and to the average u.s. citizen if we don't have a deal, if we don't get it done. i want you to take a listen to what he fold me. >> the real difference today versus perhaps any other time in history is that this single issue has a seismic effect on the rest of the world, that we have never been as connected and the domino effect of a bad outcome here will have significant negative consequences domestically and around the world. not the least of which will be the level -- fracturing of confidence in the united states of america. >> seismic and significant. very powerful words. how could this play out for americans if we don't have a deal? what will that feel like to them, howard? >> i think there will be tremendous personal pressure on people who are going to see thei
they will voluntarily where "come together" to urge politicians to get a deal done on the fiscal cliff before the end of the year. and i wasn't very surprised because howard schultz has been very outspoken. we sat down earlier this month to talk about the fiscal cliff and the risks to u.s. businesses, to the world economy and to the average u.s. citizen if we don't have a deal, if we don't get it done. i want you to take a listen to what he fold me. >> the real difference today...
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senator john mccain told me just a little while ago even if a fiscal cliff deal is done, the battle between the white house and congressional republicans is far from over. >> i think there's going to be a whole new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> all right. let's dig a little bit deeper with ryan lizza. he's washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. also ali velshi our chief correspondent is joining us. deal or no deal? >> looks like from what dana is reporting, that a deal is in sight. republicans are saying they're going to have a vote tonight. looks like a deal is done. >> with the senate. >> we don't know what the house will do. and the last time john boehner tried to put something on the floor, his caucus rebelled. he'd have to let the house vote its will. >> but you agree if the president of the united states supports it, most of the house democrats will support it. so you don't need a majority of the republicans, you need a few republicans to get to that magic number of 218. >> exactly. obama and pelosi seem to have a firm grasp on the house democra
senator john mccain told me just a little while ago even if a fiscal cliff deal is done, the battle between the white house and congressional republicans is far from over. >> i think there's going to be a whole new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> all right. let's dig a little bit deeper with ryan lizza. he's washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. also ali velshi our chief correspondent is joining us. deal or no deal? >> looks like from...
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. >>> in washington right now a potential agreement to keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff. jessica yellen at the white house with some details. what are you learning? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. first of all, there is an emerging deal here, but it is still not done. it is in progress. there's a sense of sort of optimism that this will come to closu closure. what we know about this deal right now is that it would allow for earners at the very top to let their tax rates go back to clinton levels. so that is what was set to happen in the new year anyway. it only hits the very top earners. then the next level of the deal, households that earn $450,000 are the ones impacted by this. individuals who earn $400,000 a year are the ones who would see it go to clinton levels. the deal -- the emerging deal would also include as i understand an extension of unemployment benefits and a compromise on the estate tax that would allow a slight increase or something of an increase from where we are now but not an absolute jump to where it would be beginning tomorrow. now, if there were no deal.
. >>> in washington right now a potential agreement to keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff. jessica yellen at the white house with some details. what are you learning? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. first of all, there is an emerging deal here, but it is still not done. it is in progress. there's a sense of sort of optimism that this will come to closu closure. what we know about this deal right now is that it would allow for earners at the very top to let their tax rates go...
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working through the weekend to avoid that looming fiscal cliff. >>> and at 70 years old he is out to do something few have ever done. he is doing it while battling cancer. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ tylenol bottle ] me too! and nasal co [ tissue box ] he said nasal congestion. yeah...i heard him. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now through january 2nd, no monthly payments until spring for qualified buyers. get the silverado for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. and
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as we look to the white house, we sure hope that they are getting something done, the fiscal cliff meeting at the white house right now. what were the mechanics of rushing the deal through congress and getting it passed into law? what would that look like in four days? lisa desjardins joins us now. what will it look like? >> well, there is a couple of possibilities, don. one is that they take sort of the remnants of one of the bills that passed the house or the senate and they just change it. they add whatever is in this deal to it. they have a whole bunch of vehicles that are possible for that. one sticking point, because this deal would most likely deal with taxes, there is a rule in the constitution that is has been interpreted by most every side to determine it has to begin in the house, revenue measures begin in the house. they need a bill that starts in the house, okay, they have a lot to do that. then the trick is making sure they have the votes. i think if we see anything come out of tonight's meeting, anything substantial, that's what is going to happen this next day and a half. l
as we look to the white house, we sure hope that they are getting something done, the fiscal cliff meeting at the white house right now. what were the mechanics of rushing the deal through congress and getting it passed into law? what would that look like in four days? lisa desjardins joins us now. what will it look like? >> well, there is a couple of possibilities, don. one is that they take sort of the remnants of one of the bills that passed the house or the senate and they just change...
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we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have got to meet this deny. now what we're hearing, it is not that bad, we have time. >> what jessica said about the term paper, getting it done in time. you know what happens if you don't get it done in time? you get an f. and a lot of american voters are going to say an "f" to all the politicians if they don't get it done. look, i don't think it would be the end of the world if we go off the fiscal cliff. and it think it would be resolved in the weeks ahead. but this is kind of a black eye for the political system. here we are, two or three days ahead from the start of the year. without any american business investor, or worker, this just is not a very good way to run a country. and it is almost like banana republic politics. >> my dad used to say, no way to run a railroad. or government. let's talk about a couple of things, the whole idea that tax rates on everyone will go up. does the irs or the treasury department have the ability to sort of say look, here is some guidance? keep withholding where it is? >>
we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have got to meet this deny. now what we're hearing, it is not that bad, we have time. >> what jessica said about the term paper, getting it done in time. you know what happens if you don't get it done in time? you get an f. and a lot of american voters are going to say an "f" to all the politicians if they don't get it done. look, i don't think it would be the end of the world if we go off the fiscal cliff. and it think it would be resolved...
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>> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew that the world was going to look basically the same today and tomorrow and the next day, even if it didn't get done, as it did yesterday, but -- >> but do you think -- >> the debt ceiling's a different -- >> do you think that people who thought there could be a grand bargain were kidding us or kidding themselves? >> i think that they were kidding themselves down the stretch that we had any hope of getting anything big because there wasn't talk about anything big. frankly, the debt ceiling's not going to be that either. i know that the republicans are basically now saying, okay, we've got to start the clock again. i'm waiting for that to be in the lower corner of the msnbc screen, the clock until the debt ceiling expires, because that's real. that's when the full faith and credit of the u.s. is at stake. remember, we had 18 debt ceiling increases under reagan. this is only new by virtue of the current republican house forcing this issue on the whole country and bringing us to the
>> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew that the world was going to look basically the same today and tomorrow and the next day, even if it didn't get done, as it did yesterday, but -- >> but do you think -- >> the debt ceiling's a different -- >> do you think that people who thought there could be a grand bargain were kidding us or kidding themselves? >> i think that they were kidding themselves...
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cliff. >>> families in the making ripped apart. russia officially bans the adoption of russian children by americans. >>> and for the second time in a month, a man pushed to his death from a new york city subway platform in the path of an oncoming train. wolf blitzer is off. i'm candy crowley. you're in "the situation room." >>> all eyes on that white house this hour. and the meeting that may be the last best chance to keep the country from going over the fiscal cliff. right now, the leaders of the house and senate are sitting down with president obama in a search for an 11th hour deal to prevent severe tax hikes and spending cuts from automatically kicking in with the new year. cnn's chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is getting new details. jess can ka, what are you hearing about that meeting? >> reporter: candy, the president is going to explain or reiterate the position he took on friday, that he would like a plan that extends tax rates for people who make $250,000 and below
cliff. >>> families in the making ripped apart. russia officially bans the adoption of russian children by americans. >>> and for the second time in a month, a man pushed to his death from a new york city subway platform in the path of an oncoming train. wolf blitzer is off. i'm candy crowley. you're in "the situation room." >>> all eyes on that white house this hour. and the meeting that may be the last best chance to keep the country from going over the...
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before the fiscal cliff deadline, that it won't happen until the pressure is on, on or around december 31st. that's practically and probably why what we saw today was suspended animation. this is one place in washington free of gridlock.baristas are writing the words, "come together" on customers' coffee. >> people are tired that congress can't come to a compromise or agree on anything. >> reporter: but even that doesn't seem to be moving lawmakers. >> taxes are approaching the wrong direction. come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. >> reporter: senate democratic leader harry reid, back from christmas break, was highly pessimistic about passing anything to avert the fiscal cliff and keeping all americans' taxes from going up january 1st. >> i have to be very honest, mr. president. i don't know, time wise, how it can happen now. >> five days until the fiscal cliff, and both sides are engaged in legislative and political chicken. the president called each of the four congressional leaders before leaving hawaii. in his conversation with the sena
before the fiscal cliff deadline, that it won't happen until the pressure is on, on or around december 31st. that's practically and probably why what we saw today was suspended animation. this is one place in washington free of gridlock.baristas are writing the words, "come together" on customers' coffee. >> people are tired that congress can't come to a compromise or agree on anything. >> reporter: but even that doesn't seem to be moving lawmakers. >> taxes are...
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cliff, it would be tough for the markets. marks are telling us they think there's been a momentary judgment call, they've done the right thing and the markets think something's going to get done here. so a solution is priced into the market here. if you don't get a solution, it's going to be a problem. maybe not the first day but certainly a problem. i've talked to congressmen, you have, too, they have 2008 and t.a.r.p. fresh in their memory. remember when they didn't pass the bank bailout? >> sure. >> wall street said, that's not going to work and the stock market went down 700 points. they have that fresh in their memory. they don't want -- they don't want to do anything like that. so they're being very careful here, i think. >> christine, tell us about some of the things that were, at least on the senate side, tax goodies, things saved, some of the things that we didn't lose because of the agreement on the senate side. >> it's interesting, when you look at, for example, write-off for teachers for supplies they get for the
cliff, it would be tough for the markets. marks are telling us they think there's been a momentary judgment call, they've done the right thing and the markets think something's going to get done here. so a solution is priced into the market here. if you don't get a solution, it's going to be a problem. maybe not the first day but certainly a problem. i've talked to congressmen, you have, too, they have 2008 and t.a.r.p. fresh in their memory. remember when they didn't pass the bank bailout?...
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if nothing is done to avert the fiscal cliff. if you make $104,000, doing pretty well, you see your taxes go up $6200. if you make $400,000 a year, you see taxes go up over $9,000. that's overnight. the bush tax cuts sunset if we don't do anything to variety the fiscal cliff. this is something that the president and republicans agree on. they agree 98% of the americans shouldn't have taxes raised, but that 2% disagreement brings us to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> the ceo of starbucks says, hey, you know what? let's write on our coffee cups "come together." do you think anybody will pay attention to that in washdz? >> you know what? anything and everything helps. just merely spreading the message america is watching and waiting for congress to act to find a way to reason together, that's an important act, and everyone doing their part can do, i say good on him. we need to send this message to washington and make sure it isn't settled. we'll go deeper into this tonight at 7:00 as well. this is urnlggent. the clock is ticking, s
if nothing is done to avert the fiscal cliff. if you make $104,000, doing pretty well, you see your taxes go up $6200. if you make $400,000 a year, you see taxes go up over $9,000. that's overnight. the bush tax cuts sunset if we don't do anything to variety the fiscal cliff. this is something that the president and republicans agree on. they agree 98% of the americans shouldn't have taxes raised, but that 2% disagreement brings us to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> the ceo of starbucks...
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despite the fiscal cliff worries. and you got to see it get handled. if you saw the house not pass this, or you all of a sudden saw some controversy with amendments in the like and two competing versions of this bill and this drags on, i think you could see the stock market take a tumble and that's something members of congress have told us, they like to avoid that. they rep t.a.r.p. and the bank bailout and the stock market didn't like it when they didn't pass the bank bailout in first place, that's a fresh memory for them. >> christine romans, thank you for keeping an eye on all of this. so much to keep an eye on, thanks. >>> as we wait for republicans to speak, the vice president playing a huge role in getting this deal done. but does joe biden have the pull to actually get it through the house. >>> plus, i'll speak live with the attorney for one of the very first pot clubs in colorado. just opened after voters approved a new marijuana law. you can do two things at the same time. you can watch videos and text. or you could watch the earnings report
despite the fiscal cliff worries. and you got to see it get handled. if you saw the house not pass this, or you all of a sudden saw some controversy with amendments in the like and two competing versions of this bill and this drags on, i think you could see the stock market take a tumble and that's something members of congress have told us, they like to avoid that. they rep t.a.r.p. and the bank bailout and the stock market didn't like it when they didn't pass the bank bailout in first place,...
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. >> that's obviously jon talking about the fiscal cliff. but he also said yesterday that he thinks that the whole concept of putting any armed police officers at schools should be done at the local level, if at all. the big push at the nra is to make it a federal program and it should be funded by the federal government by congress. so it does not look like there's going to be a lot of support for that right now. i've been struck talking to republicans sources. republican sources at how turned off a lot of people were by wayne louisiana pair. more so with the tone and the way he delivered the message. i talked to one republican in congress who said that it seemed like it was a time war. he was very aggressive and he didn't seem to be sort of getting the sentiment of where we are now. >> so listening to lindsey graham saying there's not much we can do to stop someone who is not wired right and talking to the number of lawmakers that you have talked to, after the first of the year when dianne feinstein says she's going to introduce this bill,
. >> that's obviously jon talking about the fiscal cliff. but he also said yesterday that he thinks that the whole concept of putting any armed police officers at schools should be done at the local level, if at all. the big push at the nra is to make it a federal program and it should be funded by the federal government by congress. so it does not look like there's going to be a lot of support for that right now. i've been struck talking to republicans sources. republican sources at how...